If you want to understand the stresses and strains of being a sailor – and skipper in The Ocean Race, this episode is a must watch. British sailor and adventurer Dee Caffari was the skipper of Turn the Tide on Plastic in the 2017-18 edition, and she gets deep into the drive, the insecurities and the psychology of top-class ocean racers, and she and Niall discuss everything from team management, dealing with imposter syndrome and being a female skipper in The Ocean Race.